Anders Andersen

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  Sophie gives even more than ice cream money to the WT

  by OrphanCrow in

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  Saw it yesterday and puked a bit.

  Dumb leeches is what they are.
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  Advice help

  by Undercoverbrother in

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  but i have been undercover for about 3 years.

  recently i stopped going and faded(close to a year without stepping into the hall) .

  an old flame of mine (who is active witness) came back into the picture.

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  I'm with stuckinarut:

  If some random stranger called you asking questions about whatever private and personal stuff they think of, you would firmly tell them to mind their own business.
  

  Apply the same to nosy elders. They have ZERO authority, and have no justification to start asking questions about your personal relationships.
  

  No need to lie, deny, or imply the other party is lying.

  "None of your business what I do or do not do, so please be gone."

  If they insist, you could return the favor by inquiring into their personal stuff....like "Have you ever engaged in oral sex? Anal sex? When was the last time you watched pornography?"
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  if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

  by nowwhat? in

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  and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

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  It really doesn't matter whether these are real or a scam, properly judged or not.
  

  It's pay to play. Watchtower was not invited into this award show/scam.

  They signed themselves up, paid to register, in order to be able to win and show off.

  Pride...comes before....?

  
  
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  How was your day/ week thread?

  by The Rebel in

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  2. friends

  this thread is for when you have to say something to get it out of the system, whether it is happy or sad.

  my reason for stating the thread is that on occasion some threads do tend to get a little heated here, and maybe this thread will enable us to reflect on the important fact, we are real people and not just dots on a computer screen.. i would love to start the thread with a bang, but nothing of particular interest has happened, only i do hope the weather improves as the climate i live in has been sadly chilly for the time of year, (if you get the deeper meaning).

  the rebel..

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  Xanthippe: I love your sarcasm and/or optimism. Whichever applies. Or both. :-D
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  How was your day/ week thread?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread is for when you have to say something to get it out of the system, whether it is happy or sad.

  my reason for stating the thread is that on occasion some threads do tend to get a little heated here, and maybe this thread will enable us to reflect on the important fact, we are real people and not just dots on a computer screen.. i would love to start the thread with a bang, but nothing of particular interest has happened, only i do hope the weather improves as the climate i live in has been sadly chilly for the time of year, (if you get the deeper meaning).

  the rebel..

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  If the past weekend is included in this thread: my wife and I took part in a charity/community event. That is something we never did before!

  It was wonderful. To me it proves doing something to help others and enjoying their company is what makes the efforts worth while. No Jah blessing of holy spirit and brotherly love and unity needed. It was just as nice and fun as any JW building activity, but without the JW.

  Hopefully my wife will notice that too :-D
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  Why Faith is Self-Defeating

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

  faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

  for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

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  @Skedaddle,

  Your post reminds me of how the JW anointed know beyond doubt that they are anointed. They don't have any evidence for it. They certainly cannot prove it to anyone. But they know they are one with God...eh I mean anointed.
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  if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

  by nowwhat? in

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  and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

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  And even if this Phoney Fakey Award were actually the real Emmy awards: WHY would Jesus Christ ever want to pay to compete in order to show off how good you are?

  Didn't he teach us anything about humility n stuff?

  Everything the RF do is because of Jehovah, but the bORg gladly pays to be able to tout their own horn...

  I guess fallout from this one is easy to contain:

  "Some brother in video dept got carried away and signed up for the award without asking. He thought it was only a library card. Oh wait...eh..."
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  Question: refuse, or limit to collaborate with elder inquiry?

  by prologos in

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  should a teen, a child of a believing mother, cooperate in the fact-gathering of the elders into the waywardness (not sex related, hopefully) of some local teenagers?

  what scenarios can you see playing out?

  all teens to clam up?

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  Elders should mind their own business.

  Parents should mind their children.

  If the teens are involved in (borderline) illegal acts, or hanging with bad people (bad as seen by worldly people, not as seen by JW), or similar potentially self destructive behaviour, probably the parents should be made aware.

  If the teens are just not following all man-imposed JW rules, let them be.

  Oh, did I mention elders should mind their own business?
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  Why Faith is Self-Defeating

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

  faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

  for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

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  Faith is about believing without seeing. "The evident demonstration of realities that arenot seen"; "Happy is he that believes without seeing."; "Walk by faith not by sight"
  Every time JWs and others say that faith in not blind, THEY ARE LYING against their own holy book!

  I always thought my (JW) faith had a solid foundation: reason, logic, evidence.

  Until I found it didn't. And speaking to my JW friends to explain my exit, in the end they all said something like 'but this is faith we're talking about...there is no evidence/it's not evidence based.'

  I always thought JW faith is evidence based, as opposed to false religion who believe anything without evidence. Well no difference there. They all cherish their make-believe like children and their little imaginary tea parties and super heroes.

  And they think I am the crazy one...

  
  
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  our secret dating got caught...

  by trueloveneverfails94 in

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  we both are 21 years old.

  we both are 21 years old.

  i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

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  Think this through properly, as there are some options here:

  1. You stay with the girl and become a JW for life. Result: the rest of your life you'll be afraid of what other JW people think of your behaviour and choices. Just like you are now after holding hands (FFS!)
  2. You stay with the girl and become a JW, but after a while you see JW stuff is bullsh!t. Result: by that time you will have JW friends and family, and they will shun you. Your girl will hate you for leaving JW and you likely break up.
  3. You stay with the girl but you don't become a JW. Result: the rest of your life your girl will be afraid of what other JW people think of your behaviour and choices, and she'll be made to feel guilty for being with you. Fun!
  4. You don't become a JW and your girl dumps you for it. You'll be heartbroken for being dumped, but then you'll be OK.
  5. You don't become a JW and you walk away from the girl. You'll be heartbroken, but then you'll be ok.
  6. You both walk away from JW. Her friends and family will shun both of you. She will need your support, because it will be hard. But then you'll be OK.

  Now, act like a man: decide which road you want to travel, and go for it. Don't say we didn't warn you....

  
  

  Good luck!